Polygamy Raids In Texas Wrong Or Right

mayet666 25 April, 2008 03:40 News, Non-Fiction Permalink Trackbacks (0)
A Picture Tells A Thousand Words







 May has something to say and her fingers did the walking..... *grins




Last week I touched on the story of the polygamist compound raid in texas that has seemingly polarized the nation.







I found I have more to say on this matter. SO I decided to blog it today and open some discussion.







These bad men were caught and stopped from violently raping and beating their many wives. Children were being raped and impregnated and held against their will. The authorities did a great job in bringing these freaks down.









Is that how you saw it?







Yes that is the way it has been presented but after watching it all over the past week some questions are starting to raise in my head. Lots of them. mainly about the wrongs and rights of the whole shemozzle.




On the surface, in the eyes of men and women in America today, these women and children are supressed and abused and living an attrcious life.



But are they? Or are we judging these people to our own social standards?

 

There is some "issues" I have with the whole debarcle.





In the 90's there was another Texan cult. The name David Koresch still to this day sends fear into the hearts of people around the world and the whispered word "cult" soon gets bandied around. In 1996 tanks, armed gunmen, helicopters and army all invaded the Waco compound and within 30 minutes there was over 100 dead. At first everyone bought the justification for the raid but soon things emerged that were not quite right. Mistakes were made. fatal ones.




Now we have the armed commando raid on this polygamy compound.




Polygamy right or wrong. Firstly I am not a polygamist. I don't think I could be because I like to know my man's heart belongs to me and our children and that if crunch time came he would be standing behind me all of the way.
But that is just me. Today as a species we have moved that far from all that is natural that  WE HAVE FORGOTTEN what is natural to us. We have forgotten instinct and what is right.



I am not saying that polygamy is the way to go for the human race but lets look at natural selection for a minute here. It is all around you in nature. The survival of the fittest, only the strongest genes carry through. The fight for alpha status in the tribe and the right to "have the women". In the kangaroo population and I know the same goes for lions in Africa, there are large amounts of juvenile rogue wanderers. The alpha male gets his pride of females and the juvenile males are cast out to fight amongst themselves for supremecy and they wander, to find an eventual mate.




Human's used to do this too but then something happened. Oh yes I can hear you saying it now. Humans became "civilized". Citizen, civilian, servitude, servant slave. Oh that right. yes we became controlled.







So when we look at nature we can see that polygamy is a natural occurance to ensure the survival of the fittest. Ok then, so who told us this was wrong, Oh thats right, the bible, the same book that tells us to treat women as chattels (Christianity is the ultimate patriarchial religion and sun/son fire male worshipper), it also tells us that homosexuals should be killed and I could go on with the crap that was written because of that control. So I should listen to this book that incites hatred should I or should I listen to the birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees.. and a little thing called LOVE.





Who are we to judge how these people live their lives? Who are we to take their children. Who are we to tell them the way they are living is wrong.





Can you say glasshouse and humungous rocks.. boulders in fact.........

Lets look at the dirty side of the coin. These people work hard, they "slave" away in garden to acheive self sufficiency for their families. Their children are alongside them. We slave away in concrete office block, working our lives for the man and ignoring our children, leaving them to school and day centres to raise.






They produce their own food. Pure and natural and not a drain on system. We produce GM toxin enriched foods that are slowly or fastly destroying our planet and food chain. We buy hormonal chicken and feed on madonalds and other assorted fast foods.
They live in a quiet peaceful society, relative free of crime. We live in a greedy 7 deadly sins society of anything goes that is full of dangers to us and children.



They have great access to health care. Many have glasses and braces on teeth. They are warm and surrounded by love.






These people have seen the evils in society today and chosen to live apart form it. They see that mankind has sown the seeds for his own destruction and so they have prepared themselves to be an enclosed unit. If this so called dreded bird flu sweeps our countries. Who has more chance of survival. Will you have a better chance in the middle of a big city or town fighting for medical help, fighting for food and water, surrounded by greed. Or these people who have lovingly prepared themselves for such an eventuality. And don't get me wrong, this isn't a far fetched analogy. in 22 article I pulled up on the bird flu in 2006, every single one of them had the exact same line in it. Scientist have FEARS and WARN that the bird flu will mutate into a DEADLY PANDEMIC. wow all thsoe fears.. can you image the chaos when it starts.







These peple wear funny dresses. Have you seen a goth or an emo lately? I actually admired the pastel colors and the neat clean and tidy appearance of the families.









They share a husband. Well lets get down to this. I've spoken to polygamists and read and watched many things over the years in my efforts to understand. From a womans point of view. She shares chores, instead of herself doing everything, those household tasks are shared, in company, the child minding is shared. Then there is the company and the support. Women need to have their "girls", someone to talk to, share fears, comfort them and to support them in areas that men's brains are just not wired for. The support and friendship between polygamist wives is incredible. They are closer than sisters. They care only about the family. The whole family. That is their gig in life. Their family.

and lets face it girls... you know those nights that you have a headache? ..No such worry.. no pestering with the woodpecker in the back all night..

In any culture you have rogue elements. Especially ones that can infiltrate such an oganization and use or be used by others. Our own chaotic and deviant society full of crimes drugs and abusers infects the very air these people breathe. So even if they choose o live away from society, they have no choice but to face societies consequences. They will get freaks and oddballs trying to join for their own agenda.




It brings me to mind the witch trials and religious persecution of the early centuries. Burn them. Kill them, they are different.





Are we going to raid nudist camps next and take their kids?





So everyone cries out "but there was an allegation of abuse"





When an organization becomes to big and independant for their boots and starts having people listen to them and achieve some independance from the system a campaign is started, to destory credibility and to give a 'reason" for the takeover and bringing down of independance. How easy would it be, to slip someone next to a known sex offender and have him whisper in his ear about this magic place where he could have 4 or 5 young women all at once. Zap, dude wouldn't even ask questions except for directions before he would be off like a shot. Done deed, let nature take its course and two years later a whispered phone call alleging abuse of a girl who has since not been found, is all the excuse you need.



Until 1830 or so the legal age of consent in England was 13. There are still many nations where the age of consent is that low. Do we run in with commando raids to those countries and take over with guns and take the children  oh wait we used missionaries for that.. cos the bible told us so....do we march in and tell them they are living wrong, they should live like us in concrete jungles, with artificial food, shitty health services, crimes, drugs, divorce, abuse and *sigh......... yeah......



50 years ago in Australia we had the stolen generation of Australians. A whole generation of aboriginal babies taken from their mothers and placed with white families because they had a bit of white in them. (well hey, I have a bit of black in me, does it make it right for aboriginals to take my children and return them to the tribe? tit for tat). It was done because society said it was wrong for those children to live with their families, it was wrong for white children to live with black families. It destroyed a generation.

Today the government says sorry it was wrong.. small peace of mind for the stolen ones

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40 years ago babies were taken from single mothers and adopted out. The mothers were told it was wrong, that it was a sin, that it was a crime. Another generation destroyed. Those children didn't get an apology.. unlikely they ever will.. they just see the confusion of a society that accepts and condones and encourages in some areas what they were cast out for at birth.

You see as many readers know I was one of those children, taken from my mother who was 18. SHe was told it was a sin to have me and not be married. I was taken from her arms and adopted into a nice christian family and led to believe all my live as a child that my mother had sinned. I was that much of a shameful sin that i wasn't even afforded the luxury of a labour ward and maternity ward. No I was born behind a sheet to hide me from the surrounding dead bodies, in a morgue. The shame of my birth was that great that I was bought into life in the bowels of death. Can you imagine how I felt as a single mother of 19 holding my fuzzball of a baby daughter in my arms for the first time? The first ever touch and bond with anything of my blood? The thoughts of how someone could have their baby taken away.....





I grew up asking why. Why was I so bad and so sinful that no one wanted me. I grew up to find out I was stolen so in turn their was someone else out there asking why was I taken from them. My brother is a wonderful person. He has a great job, a beautiful fiancee, a baby on the way, a new home and a gentle nature.... he is loved and adored by his mother, they are very close, they talk everyday and the bond betwen them is incredible.... his mother, our mother should be proud of him and she is. Don't get me wrong. I adore my adoptive parents and worship the gorund they walk on, they have done so much for me.



I was judged before I was born and have been ever since. My life's choices have never been conventional..they never were, how could they be when conventionality was ripped from my grasp with my first breath of air. It has given me something I am happy with. A perspective of looking at things form all sides.... not just the one that is being fed to me.. I can feed myself and prefer a fork to a spoon.





I guess what I am saying is .. you have listened to the media blitz on these 400 or so children and yes the trial will be the best circus I've watched for many years. You have seen that nice lady saying how she had taken custody of all those children to foster them out and go to court. Those children were taken from their parents by the government because they were different. What was wrong with going in and working with these people. Oh we have heard that there is something going on here.. ra ra...

No we had to have the "phonecall" the "excuse" the "media circus" and justification. This sends a message to the people .. hmm is it a good one or is it fear? I hope you have looked at the photos I have put here and I hope you have looked at the other side of this coin and the implications of the loss of freedom. No I do not condone abuse. There is abuse everywhere. If one child is abused in a daycare centre are all the children taken from their mothers?


This is abuse.




This sure looks like love to me.







The women in thse pictures have all had their children taken from them



Do you think they should have had their children taken from them and custody given to the state so fast?

Are they wrong in living how they do?



Mayetism = Lies are elaborate the truth is plain and simple.

Email Spying - More Loss Of Privacy

mayet666 13 April, 2008 16:11 General, News, Non-Fiction, Australiana, Conspiracies R Us Permalink Trackbacks (0)

Australia has quietly proposed new email security that will allow bosses to spy on employees emails for "security reasons". I love how they slip something so sly in and make it look so completely innocent and a much needed have to have commodity. They actually convince people to accept this loss of privacy. Sounds so innocent, but what people don't see is the bigger picture. The greater chopping and slashing of peoples rights and privacy which is creating a race of sheep and people who believe and accept everything dished out to them. People are no longer taught to question or to be individual.

I like how they say privacy and consumer groups would be consulted. The Delphi Technique of achieving concensus is already in place in these groups everywhere. The desired outcome is already set in concrete. Soon they won't even bother to make it look good. We will just accept and follow and allow ourselves to be stripped and herded into the yards.

I love how the new "satan" AKA "the terrorist threat" is used in the article as justification of the freedom strip.

Employers To Read Workers Emails

Employers would be able to read their staff's emails under proposed new national security laws being considered by the Federal Government.
The new laws would give companies extra powers to monitor their computer networks to prevent cyber-attacks.
They would be allowed to check their staff's emails and internet communications without their consent.
Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard has told Channel Nine the proposed changes would step up national security of Australia's computer networks.
"We want to make sure that they are safe from terrorist attack," she said.

"Part of doing that is making sure we've got the right powers to ensure that we can tell if there's something unusual going on in the system.

"So it's a national security move, not a move about an unseemly interest in people's private emails."

A spokesman for the Attorney-General says cyber-threats are growing and that privacy experts and unions will be consulted about the proposed laws.


670000 Without Drinking Water In China

mayet666 13 April, 2008 15:25 General, News, Current Events, Disasters, China Permalink Trackbacks (0)

it is stories like this that scare me. Or more the repercussions of the story in question that scare me the most.

670 000 chinese people are without drinking water after severe drought in the Liaoning Province in North East China. The article goes on to say that 50 million Chinese face drinking water shortages each year.

That is where the scary bits come to mind. That is 50 million people. A huge amount, Over twice the population of Australia alone that face potential death each year. Do you think that these people are going to sit back and allow themselves to starve and die of thirst? All 50 million? Or are they going to get ideas? Might is right, Why should they sit back and die when they see that the grass is greener or in this case, the water is bluer on the other side of the fence.

China has self designed for it's future. A future that doesn't need nostradamus to prophecize. Maybe it was natural selection and the only way the pyramid could go, after it was built but the over population and one child boy preferred policy has created a monster. A monster that has no choice but to unleash. China grows in power every day. 

More and more western civilzation rely on China to make, create and supply many of it's basic needs. Most electrical appliances, computer parts, technology, toys and more are made in China. We funnell huge amounts of money, uncaringly into the Chinese coffers.

China buys it's basics off us like coal and other supplies and then get that money back one hundred fold through the products those basic elements produce.

The one child boy preferred regime has produced an army. An Army of horny virile fit soldiers full of national patriotism and the need for supremecy.  China gets richer but their people get poorer in base needs, that wealth has come at a price. The cost? The cost is the land, the environment, the pollution and the health of the citizens. China has not cared about the byproducts and reactions to it's massive industrial growth. If a nation cares so little about polluting it's own land and contaminating it's own people, how do they view other lands, how do they view other peoples? Is it with contempt?

China has no choice, they have sowed the seeds of their own destruction in that creation of wealth and growth. They have nowhere to go but out and over if they wish to survive. The land is polluted, it is raped of natural resources, the farmlands are either in drought or flood and the people are in the grip of health crisis with issues such as the Bird Flu and AIDs reaching epidemic proportions.

It is a matter of time, when the time is right, China will destroy the western economy and start taking over. All they need to do is to flood the market with US dollars and bamm!! worthless economy, America would not just go into recession, it would fall into a pit. The depression of the 30's will look like a bump in the road after this.

ABC Net.au - China 670 000 Have No Water. 

A drought in China's north-east Liaoning province has left nearly 700,000 people without drinking water after rainfall in the first three months of 2008 tumbled to one-fifth levels last year, the Xinhua agency said.

The area is a top grain producer, and maize and rice farming is due to begin next week, but from January to the end of March it had got less than 2 centimetres of rain.

Some 66 reservoirs have dried up, but the area has raised cash to build 1,700 new wells and expand and upgrade water conservation systems to try and ensure spring planting can go ahead, Xinhua said, citing local sources.

China's weather administration said in early April that drought parching other parts of northern China was the worst in several decades and would continue this month.

Drought and floods are perennial problems in China, which has per capita water resources that are well below the global average. Its meteorologists have said global climate change is exacerbating extreme weather, including droughts.

About 30 million Chinese in the countryside and more than 20 million in urban areas face drinking water shortages every year despite huge government investment to address the problem.


Food Color Bans

mayet666 12 April, 2008 07:27 General, News, Current Events, Health Permalink Trackbacks (0)

I don't know why it takes Government so long to get with the program on certain issues. One of them is food color. As a mother of food sensitive hyperactive autistics,  I know what food colors can do. if you give my child green or red food color in cordials or other foods you can actually watch the physical and mental changes in them. Within 15 minutes a normal placid happy child will be a ranting running yelling jumping, climbing the walls tarzan on steroids.

Everyone knows this, even parents of non sensitive children, so why does it take "decades" as quoted in the following article to finally ban food colors due to the danger they present to children. The damage is done, we have a generation of children affected by these products. What about preservatives? Will they get banned now too or is that hoping too much in a modern day society that relies on these things to make it pretty and last longer?

Is the Government worried about a mass legal suit for all the citizens claiming that they knew full well, as they do and did that these products are dangerous to the human body and brain.

Is the toll on the health services getting too much. Is the government finally waking up and realizing how much control they have given up to companies like food producers and the drug companies?

13 billion dollar a year global industry in food additives alone. Can you imagine the impact all of that actually has had on health. That is not just the ADHD kids, How about auto immune diseases, arthritis, MS and other chronic diseases that aare ascerbated by theese products that harm not help the human body. 

http://www.independent.co.uk

Food agency calls for ban on six artificial colours

Friday, April 11, 2008

Food regulators moved to ban artificial additives from hundreds of products yesterday, three decades after parents began complaining that their children suffered mood swings after consuming brightly coloured sweets, cakes and drinks.

The Food Standards Agency recommended ministers call for manufacturers to remove six artificial colours by the end of 2009 and lobby for a European Union-wide ban. The FSA's advice to parents will be strengthened to warn them about the dangers of the E-numbers tartrazine (E102), quinoline yellow (E104), sunset yellow (E110), carmoisine (E122), ponceau 4R (E124) and allura red (E129).

These colours and the preservative sodium benzoate (E211) were linked to hyperactivity in a £750,000 study by Southampton University, which found they made primary school children become distracted and fail a computer attention test.

The researchers estimated that 30 per cent of cases of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) would be prevented if companies removed the colours used in the £13bn-a-year global additives industry.


Laser Beams Hit Pilots

mayet666 10 April, 2008 19:38 News, Australiana Permalink Trackbacks (0)

In yesterday's news a light plane taking off from Sydney Airport carrying the Brisbane and Queensland mail, crashed into the sea shortly after take off. The mail service planes safety record is usually impecable and after reading another story last night I started to wonder.

Another plane landed safely in Newcastle after having a laser beam pointed in the window of the plane, temporarily blinding him. In the same article came other stories related by pilots of other incidents in NSW lately with the laser sights and being temporarily blinded while flying over various parts of NSW. 

So of course once again, the lasers are to be banned. Isn't it strange how these things happen. The general public finds good uses for these things that the Government doesn't like. All of a sudden there is scares from pilots being blinded and then a plane down. Will it get blamed on the lasers. Will the lasers be banned once again like all similar things are in our country. 

Instead of the people standing up and outcasting and ostracizing the people committing these crimes they are instead allowing their freedoms to be stripped slowly from them. 

 

 

 

Pilot Disorientated By Laser
Pilot Disorientated By Laser

 A pilot has been disorientated in a laser attack on a light plane flying over the New South Wales mid-north coast.

The pilot of the Cessna 152 was flying over Port Macquarie about 7:25pm (AEST) yesterday, when he saw a bright green beam through the wing tip of the plane.

The incident was the latest in a number of recent laser attacks that have prompted a NSW plan to ban laser pointers, bringing the state into line with Victoria and Western Australia.
Late last month, six planes had to change their flight paths into Sydney Airport after up to four people targeted them with laser beams. About a week later, a laser was shone into the window of a Virgin Blue plane travelling from Cairns as it was flying into Sydney.

There has been a sharp increase in the number of such attacks, with more than 300 incidents reported last year.


Two Faced

mayet666 10 April, 2008 14:09 News, Current Events, Non-Fiction, Disasters, Health, Philosophy Permalink Trackbacks (0)

08:43 AM - Two Faced Now Open
Category: News and Politics



Two Faced


A baby girl has been born in a north Indian village with two faces.




According to her parent’s their little girl Lali, is fine and drinks from both mouths. All four eyes open and shut. The father has declined to have his daughter examined with with CT Scan to check if her internal organs are all right.



MSNBC Baby Born Two Faces



But this is where it all crosses into fantasy land.
 

The child is now worhipped by villagers as a Goddess Incarnate and a gift from the Fire Goddess worhipped in the area, Durga, who is depicted in Art work as having THREE eyes and many arms.
Durga - Wikipedia




Durga is often aligned as being the mother of Ganesh and the mother of Lakshmi along with another couple of Hindu Goddesses. Durga is Mother Nature.



Ganesh Above


The chief of the village is now going to build a temple to Durga in the village.



Durga is the
feminine creative force.



Now what the heck? They refused a CT scan because of religion and their child’s new Goddess status? wow.


Lakshmi

This bring me to the recent story of the little girl named Lakshmi who was born in another Indian village with four legs and arms after she never sucessfully separated from her twin at conception.




That little girl was also worshipped as a Goddess Incarnate and her village was swamped with thousands of people from miles around come to view to new little Goddess Incarnate.




The Goddess Lakshmi Above

In that case modern medicine won the battle. But at what cost. The parents decided and rightly so that it was in their daughters best interests to undergo surgery to correct nature’s mistake and to separate her from her twin as should have occured at conception. That little girl is now going well back in her village all but one major thing.






Her parents are now shunned in disgust by villagers. They committed a cardinal sin by the corrective surgery, a sin against their God. They are not spoken to in their village now. Their life is misery and poverty but their little girl can at least grow up to be happy and healthy.

Lakshmi’s parents Shambhu and Poonam named her after the four-armed goddess of wealth, and it was their love for her that stopped them from selling Lakshmi to the highest bidder.

"We took her to a hospital in Delhi after her birth but some circus owners got to hear about her. They wanted to turn her into a freak show and offered us money, but we brought her back to the village," says Shambhu, who has a farm in Bihar’s Terai region.

Too scared to take her to a hospital again, the couple hid her in the village until paediatric surgeon Sharan Patil from the Bangalore-based Sparsh Hospital heard of her and offered to operate for free. Along with the Sparsh team, surgeons and experts from Dr Devi Shetty’s Narayana Hrudalaya will participate in the surgery.

Lakshmi’s Story


 

What the Hell? Her parent did the right thing for their daughter and now they are shunned and treated with disgust because of religion?





Lakshmi Above




Girl Dies After Parents Pray
few weeks ago there was a story of a little girl who got sick. She just started sleeping a lot and being sick, so her parents prayed for her and kept on praying for her. Relatives finally called 911 and child services and the child was taken to hospital but it was to late. She died. She died of a common and very treatable form of diabetes. Her parents prayed for her. They were interviewed and said they hold no guilt for their choice to pray for their daughter rather than seek help. They said it was in God’s hands as that is what the bible said.
Parent’s Pray Over Sick Girl








Morman Polygamy Camp Raided
Then this week we have the case of Warren Jeffs, who in the name of relgion and the book of Revelations started a cult of break away mormons and polygimists in Utah and Texas along with other states. Mr Jeffs has been convicted and sentenced in sex crimes of knowingly having a 14 year old girl married off to one of his cousins.





Warren Jeffs Above Explaining His Polygamy Laws from God.


This week their compound in Texas was raided and all the women and children taken out. Many of you will have been following the story as I have out of morbid curiousity that something so bizarre could happen in todays world. I understand the "doomsday idea" there is many who do think that times are changing but to have these old men married off multiple times to young girls who slave away on the farms all day for the dream of self suffiency is somewhat sick and very perverted.



But that wasn’t what grabbed my attention the most about this case. It was watching the children streaming out the gates with their parents that really alerted me to something big amiss. I was admring the little girls dresses and pretty pastel colours of the rainbow, thinking it was better than the usual drab sackcloth that cults require of their victims when it dawned on me, where were the little boys. tens and tens of little girls walked out, and then one little boy would be seen in his mother’ arms. Then another 15 girls and then a boy walking with his sisters.

Ploygamist Cult Raid

What in the hell is that? Do we have a case of selectively breeding girls here?


Video Available On Page

Above speaks of the first lot of girls taken. They later admitted most of the 401 removed from the compound were mostly female even the children.


I must interject with some dry humor.. that will make the Chinese happy, after all, they are selectively breeding men with their one child policy.

But back to it why all the girls where are the boys? The ratio’s do not add up. Are some of the boys terminated on ultrasound identification? *Shudder to think of that one*

I have read stories of the Lost Boys of these polygamist cults and the sadness of their lives where they are worthless and never allowed to marry the girls they love, INstead finding themselves cast aside by families and friends while they watch their dream lovers married off to greed lecherous old men with harems.

Lost Boys of Polygamy are young men who have been excommunicated or pressured to leave polygamous groups such as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) or the Latter Day Church of Christ, churches that splintered from, but have had no affiliation with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after 1890.[1] Most of the Lost Boys are between the ages of 13 and 21 when banished or pressured to leave.[2]

Critics of the FLDS say that, given the fact that roughly equal numbers of boys and girls are born in any community absent sex-selective abortion, the practice of polygamy leads unavoidably to bride shortages and a surplus of boys. Lost Boys are the surplus boys who are removed from polygamous sects in order to reduce competition for wives. While some boys leave on their own, many are ostensibly banished for misbehavior such as watching a movie, playing football, or talking to a girl.[2] There are also young women[3] who have left or been pressured to leave because they did not want to be part of polygamous marriages.[4] While it is difficult to estimate how many boys have been thrown out, their numbers are estimated to be as low as 400 and as high as 1,400. [5]



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As time goes on fragmentation is society takes us further from the truth and further from peace. How insane when religion gets in the way of tiny babies born deformed through accidents of nature or toxic envirnoment, from being surgically corrected to help them live a healthy life.

How insane when villager worship that child as an Incarnate of a God or Goddess. That takes us back to the time of scrifice when children were thrown into pits of fire to placate Gods of fire.

How insane when parents pray instead of getting their child life saving help. Sacrificing a child’s life to their God

How insane that an insane man with pure greed and lust twists lives and people through lies into living his own sick perverted pleasure and dreams.


This world continues to get more and more bizarre and this part of the bizarreness relates to interpreations of religion.. what happened to the truth?

Australian Incest Couple John Jennifer Deaves

mayet666 07 April, 2008 14:11 General, News, Current Events, Non-Fiction, Australiana Permalink Trackbacks (0)

01:39 AM - Don’t These Make a Cute Incestuous Couple
Category: News and Politics

Well I am on my way to bed but I just had to login quickly and post this on the way.

I posted the story last week about Thomas Beattie, a story which transfixed the world. 

But now there is a story in the news that bears for greater social ramifications than Mr Beattie’s story does.



Meet Jennifer and John Deaves.

They were both called Deaves from birth.

The little girl in the picture is their natural child, conceived during a sexual union between the two. This is their second child, their first one died just after birth of a congenital heart defect. This child appears normal.

She may grow up a tad confused on what to call her mum. Mum or grandma and well is dad, dad or is her grandpa?

Jennifer and John Deaves are father and daughter. The resemblance is uncanny. They began a sexual relationship and started to live together after they were astranged for most of Jennifer’s childhood.



Last week they went on national TV here in Australia, begging the country and community to accept their relationship and to accept the choices they have made to be with each other.

They have been charged and convicted of incest and ordered to stop having sex with each other.


 

A FATHER and daughter at the centre of an incest scandal have been condemned by their family.

John Earnest Deaves and his daughter Jennifer Anne Deaves from South Australia have spoken publicly about their seven-year relationship, asking for some respect and understanding.
They have a baby girl together and another child who died a few days after birth from a congenital heart disease, court documents show.
But their relationship has been slammed by Ms Deaves’ mother Joan, and by her father’s second wife Dorothy, who also cast doubts on claims John and Jennifer Deaves had virtually no contact for 30 years before the relationship began.
The couple has been serving three-year good behaviour bonds since March this year, after pleading guilty to two counts of incest.
District Court sentencing judge Steven Millsteed said the first count of incest was based on an act of sexual intercourse which resulted in the birth of the couple’s first child.
The second count of incest related to an act of sexual intercourse which resulted in the birth of their second child in May last year.
"The first child was born in 2001 but died a few days after birth due to a congenital heart disease,’’ Judge Millsteed said.
John Deaves’ first wife, Joan today said children deserved a better chance in life than one that originated from incest.


Incest Couple Condemmed


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They do not feel they have done anything wrong


In today’s society we are taught to accept everything. We are taught and told to accept Thomas Beattie’s choice. Now we are being asked to accept this couples choice of producing incestuous children into our society.

Where does the line get drawn or is there even a line at all. Has society gone to far? Is this what to expect in the furture as we stray further and further from a path of "nature".


Do we accept this? What help is fining this couple?

Men Behaving Badly Wayne Carey Domestic VIolence And Assault On Girlfriend

mayet666 30 March, 2008 23:56 News, Current Events, Australiana Permalink Trackbacks (0)

08:24 AM - Men Behaving Badly - Updated Please Come Read
Category: News and Politics

Yes I know there is a proliferation of DV blogs around at the moment but that is a good thing especially with PQ’s auction coming up tomorrow and the new awareness it is bringing to people about this social problem.



PQ’s Blog Click Here

This is yet another angle of the whole issue to look at. How "Star Women Beaters" are treated by society. The acceptance by society of

 Men Behaving Badly





We all need our heroes. Every kid in society and the grown up ones too, need their heroes to look up to, worship, adore and inspire to be like as they grow up.

I am all for the ’hero". I believe a outstanding positive role model can be invaluable to a child growing up. But where my socks do stand up and say uh uh this is wrong is what I am going to blog about today.

Men Bahaving Badly.

What do we as a society do and how do we react when one of our "heroes" begins to behave badly towards women?

It seems the answer to that question, straight from the looking glass of a situation I am observing at the moment, is to ignore it as much as possible and to find every excuse to forgive the perpetrator multiple times. Then when it has been swept under the carpet enough, the perpetrator ignored just enough to make it look good the person all of a sudden has a big public apology and life goes on as before as they are to restored (somehwat successfully) to that hero worship pedestal.

It seems if a person has that star quality that people want to idolize, they will be prepared to overlook, ignore and in some cases encourage that bad behavior.


I love men.  Love everything about them...

Don’t ever get me wrong on that matter. I am not bitter from my experiences in fact the whole thing made me want to delve deep into the why’s of Domestic Violence so that I could get a grip on what was happening to me. Because the violence was so seemingly senseless and irrational to me, I really wanted to "figure it out" as such.


Just recently headlines we made by a popular Australian ex footballer and now TV commentator when police were called to his home unit and he was arrested for domestic assault on his partner.

For a few days efforts were made by the PR teams to dampen down the story until details emerged that this wasn’t the first time.

Apparently over the past year or so Mr Wayne Carey, the footballer in question was arrested by American police, for slashing the same said girlsfriends face and neck with a wineglass after a dispute in Florida.

When this new episode came to light, it was the three strikes rule as far as the people were concerned. Mr Carey first gained a bad boy reputation for leaving his wife and tiny baby to galavant with a steramy model he had been having an affair with. So he was dropped from his top ten ranking TV show (The Footy Show) and drops from the TV channel all together, along with sponsors and more. AS he should have been. He is no role model to be proud of. As far as I am concenred his skill in kicking a ball once, a long time ago does not allow him to behave badly and get pats on the back and much income from it.

Your police have no nice things to say about Mr Carey, unlike in Australia he wasn’t afforded the star treatment that he demanded from your officers and made a rather embarrassing scene for himself. He is supposed to asppear in court this month and I am sure all efforts will be underway from our country to underhandedly make sure he is let off with a smack in the wrist.

See he is facing heavy time there in America. Over here abusers get fined time after time, and that is if the case even makes it to court.

The point of my blog today is not the weak misogynist that is Wayne Carey. My point is about the public perspective and his peer’s persepctive over the incident.

A woman’s magazine lost it’s tampon advertisers this week after it was reported that they offered (and were taken up on) over 150000 dollars this week to interview Mr Carey for their magazine. That made me angry and I had planned at that stage to blog the incident but as with all things, a million other things came running at me.

Then I opened my newsfeeds today to see a story jump out at me about a TV interview Mr Carey had done where he said he was sorry but DENIED being violent towards women.

There we have it. The DENIAL.

As long as he is allowed to deny and minimize his role in the abuse he will continue to abuse. Sadly in that way I have a feeling that next time might be a big more violent than what we have seen.

But it brings me to the disgust I taste in my whole being today at the media. At the lie and falseness that is the media. Are we in that depserate need of stars that we will accept this behavior of them?

How can changes be bought into society when this is what is seen at the very top of our role models.

He denied it.. I am sorry I was naughty but I didn’t really do it.

Lame and yellow. But expected.

and sadly what was also expected was that we the people are EXPECTED to accept this PR blitz and lame assed so called apology and pop Mr Carey back on his pedestal again.

This is all of "what is wrong with society today"

This is not an instant where a public apology, hang your head but skirt the issue should even be considered. Mr Carey should be spending his life in solitude away from the media eye and money, working to mend his own fences and fix the kangaroo’s loose in his top paddock.

It is shameful that Australia or anyone could even expect us to accept and even listen to this crap.

Where is his punishment other than his "loss of face" I am sorry I got caught attitude?



Where is the education, years of counselling and attitude readgustment.

More importantly just where is the respect for woman and all she embodies through all of this.





Footnote
I must not be the only one to be concerned about this press coverage Mr Carey is getting. The article I read early this morning now has a new red tag link under it with a follow up written by a psychologist about the interview and Mr Carey’s Lack of remorse.

Can you say Narcissistic Personality Disorder bordering on Sociopathic behaviour.

By this link being added later it also goes to show that the media are actually getting a back lash for playing their PR game instead of being unbiased fair reporters. Now they are being called upon to be fair. This one will be fascinating to watch and also fascinating to see how your American courts treat this situation in sentencing him for his crimes there.

The psychologists "read" Of Carey and lack of remorse




The Age Newspaper Psychologists view - click here
He has got a degree, his words weigh more than mine. 

WAYNE Carey showed little evidence of remorse in his Enough Rope interview, Melbourne psychologists say.
After viewing the interview forensic psychologist Ian Joblin said Carey’s "fatuous smile" and other non-verbal signs left a question mark over the fallen football star’s state of mind.
"He started off with a very fatuous smile and giggle, and it was only later that he became genuine — his non-verbals were inconsistent with his words," he said.

"When talking about (Jason) Moran (he was) almost laughing like it was joke or a matter of pride, whereas with his sister he was genuine.
"I’m looking for contrition and remorse and I don’t find any. There’s nothing in his movement or his words that indicate he is contrite."
He said Carey still presented as an "alpha male" because of the way he could discuss matters that would normally distress a person.
Rapid eye-blinking and a dry mouth were signs that Carey was very nervous, psychologist Meredith Faulkner said, but were normal in the circumstances.
"When the corners of his mouth and corners of eyes twitched — that is autonomic nervous system data that’s much harder to maintain," Ms Faulkner said. "He seemed to be avoiding something — he used language like, ’Oh I didn’t look at it, we didn’t talk about it’."
When Carey dealt with controversial material his language became very precise and careful, and during discussions of his marriage he held his breath, she said.
"For most of that interview what you see is what you get, but with a couple of controversial pieces of data you notice the shift towards precise language to deflect the question."




Yes I noticed all that.. and much much much more...

and here is the feel sorry for me article spoofed off by the PR machine that is our mainstream media this morning after his PR interview last night on national Government Owned Television
Makes you feel really sorry for the poor boys doesn’t it.. my hearts bleeding.. but it certainly isn’t for mr Carey... weasel.. I can say that... because I am not mainstream media.. I call a shovel a shovel and a weasel a weasel





Wayne Carey is Sorry But says he is Not A Woman Beater

RETIREMENT from football was harder than expected for fallen superstar Wayne Carey, but it was only after he left the game he dominated for more than a decade that his alcohol problems escalated into drug use.
Details of Carey’s alcohol and drug problems have been well documented in the days leading up to last night’s revealing interview on the ABC program Enough Rope, but during the interview with Andrew Denton, the dual premiership captain admitted he had difficulty in adjusting to life without football and it was then, without the discipline of the game, that cocaine entered his life.
Carey was forced into retirement by a serious neck injury midway through the 2004 season, while playing with Adelaide. He admitted that he thought he would cope better with the end of his playing days.

 

and finally his charges nd arrests story from January  exztract

Wayne Carey will be charged - police

by Greg Roberts
March 25, 2008 06:01pm

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Article from: AAP 

 

Carey, 36, was arrested on January 27 for lashing out at police during a domestic dispute at his Port Melbourne penthouse, but no charges were laid.

Carey had to be subdued with capsicum spray by police, with leaked security footage from his Rouse St apartment block showing him handcuffed before being taken to the St Kilda Road police station.

Carey is already facing criminal charges for assaulting police in the US state of Florida, after a wine glass was smashed in his girlfriend’s face last October.
He will appear in court in Miami next month on two felony charges of aggravated battery of a police officer and a charge of resisting arrest with violence.
If convicted, he could face up to 15 years in an American jail. The revelations about Carey’s behaviour have resulted in him losing various lucrative jobs in the football media.His first television interview since the January incident will air on the ABC’s Enough Rope next Monday.


to read more on this story please visit the following link.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23430385-29277,00.html

Do you notice they even rereleased the news of his arrest last week in anticipation of this  story. What a PR Machine.
 






Update

This is the type of hype we get now. We don’t hear of the people like me who say this is wrong anywhere on the mainstream media. Instead we get his buddies, other stars defending him.

Archer Says Carey Interview Tough

North Melbourne premiership player Glenn Archer said watching former teammate Wayne Carey’s ABC television interview last night was tough going.

Archer watched the interview with Andrew Denton on Enough Rope before appearing on his own program, Footy Classified, on the Nine Network.

Archer said it was difficult to watch Carey at times.

"No doubt it was tough watching. It was obviously tough watching for me. He was a best mate of mine," Archer said.





Arris also has a great Blog currently with some women’s stories in it along with previous blogs including Sam’s - DV from a Male victim’s prespective.

Arris DV Blog


Pregnant Man That IS Legally A Man But Really A Woman Thomas Beattie

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07:31 PM - World First Pregnant Male (extremely Important Update Come and Read Now)
Category: News and Politics


In developments of the so called Pregnant man case, more and more voices are crying "hoax" over the whole story as news comes to light that Thomas Beattie is under a confidetiality contract until April the 1st


is this the largest Aprils Fools Joke the world has ever seen?

Truth Lies fiction aside


What would you think if you did find out this was a huge hoax?

What would you think of the people involved in the joke?

would you laugh off being had or would it piss you to no end?


Pregnant Man A Hoax?


Is The Pregnant Man A Hoax


 

Is The ’Pregnant Man’ A Hoax?

The recent story of Thomas Beattie, the transgender man from Oregon who is apparently pregnant with a baby girl, continues to become more complex.

 

Some people simply aren’t buying it.

Thomas’ neighbour Ron Schlieper told Katu.com why he’s not convinced. "I saw him a few days ago and he didn’t look like that," he said, referring to the images published of Beattie in The Advocate. "He was walking down the street with who I thought was his wife, Nancy, and I don’t recall seeing a belly. If that (picture was taken) a month ago, he would have been much bigger just a few days ago."

Despite Schlieper’s comments, another neighbour said that the couple have been regularly attending fertility treatments in Portland.

Fox News has been investigating the story too. The biggest clue that they might be onto something lies in their revelation that Beattie is under a confidentiality contract which ends on April Fools Day – April 1st. Beattie says that he won’t be speaking to media until then.


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All I know is that I carried my babies much lower than it appears in mr Beatties photo..

the lower half of the tummy at five months is getting rounded but not the top as the uterus hasn’t stretched up that high yet...
the picture looks like a seven month pregnant woman not a five month pregnant woman .. but thats just personal observation...

and ovulation with a beard? I still say no way...

time will tell this will be interesting


*note.. I read that it says the picture was taken a month ago.. making the picture taken at four half months of pregnancy..



Also I have been reading. Matt Rice was the first transgender to give birth to a baby and since then there has been at least two other recorded cases of transgenders giving birth



Also where are the breasts.. I don’t care if he had them cut off.... but pregnancy makes breasts develop and the first transgender Matt rice grew small breasts during pregnancy












Well has it finally happened

Have women been made obsolete.

We all know that really the world only needs one man, to produce enough sperm to keep the population growth as standard.

But women have always been a needed commodity. That is why we are called WOMBan and the world needs lots of wombs to keep our humans at the top of the food chain


because we have the womb

we are the vessel that carries and brings forth new life. That job was uniquely ours.... until now.



headlines screamed out at me this morning.

Pregnant Man Due In July

with THIS rather grotesque image underneath it.
(puhleese not before breakfast people)



A man is reportedly pregnant with a baby girl.

US man Thomas Beatie and his wife were expecting their first child in July, according to US news service TransWorldNews.

Beatie, from the state of Oregon, was born a woman but had a sex change in which he had chest reconstruction and testosterone therapy, but no change to his reproductive organs, TransWorldNews said.

He stopped taking testosterone injections to get pregnant, Beatie reportedly wrote in an article for The Advocate, a magazine for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender readers.

Doctors had refused to treat Beatie, including one that sent him to "the clinic’s psychologist to see if we were fit to bring a child into this world and consulted with the ethics board of his hospital" , the article said.

Beatie admitted his situation "sparks legal, political and social unknowns", TransWorldNews said
The Age Australia - Pregnant Man Due In July

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So there you go... no more WOMBan

Ok so technicallly this one was born a female.. changed to a male.. stopped that and decided to become pregnant instead

I am sorry... but am I the only one confused here other than Mr/Mrs Beattie

I am still rather stunned at all the implications behind this. Morally. Ethically, Futuristically Spiritually, Mentally and Physically.. Did I miss any there?

Is this is good thing or a bad thing?

What is you view on testosterone filled "men" being pregnant?

Will he/she breastfeed?

What hormones are running around in him and can they affect the baby is a bad way? Can this totally fuck the babies hormones up?

Would you do this if the option existed?


8 Days

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This song I found over on Munch’s blog inspired this quick little poem
when you finish drop over and check his blog out all about his love for a movie star who just happens to be friends with many around here.

Hello Kelli Maroney :)










She was born on Monday morning
with the sun high in the sky
she grew in love and happiness
and you never heard her cry

She met the future on a Tuesday
at the party of a family friend
it was a golden magic time
she never wanted to ever end

they got engaged on a Wednesday
and her parents were so proud
a successful handsome husband
who really stood out from the crowd

He yelled at her on a Thursday
a week before the wedding day
with kisses and much forgiveness
he begged her to let him stay

They married on a Friday
just before the long weekend
she wore a dress made of white
for it was the fashion trend

he first hit her on a Saturday
they were still on their honeymoon
her parents were really wondering
why they returned from it so soon

He killed her on the sunday
they had been married for eight whole days
his excuse was that he owned her now
and now in a pool of blood she lays

they buried her on a Monday
20 years to the day since she was born
all that are left of her are memories
and families lives that are ripped and torn





Please do not feel sorry for me. I am a survivor. Please save that energy and help for people who are still in this situation.

and please spare a thought for the children who witness this daily.

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